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Speaker 1:          00:00          Can you hazard a guess what Europe is clamping down on speech critical of Islam when Islam is causing lots of problems with rape, gangs, terrorism, and generally being a menace? Why? Well, I suppose the first,

Speaker 1:          00:19          let's say if I was going to oppose that statement, I would say, well, perhaps it's a propaganda stick. Uh, uh, what would you call it, conspiracy to blame what's happening in Europe on Islamic immigrants? I guess part of the problem is, is that at least as far as I can tell, the news has become sufficiently unreliable because it's so polarized that we can't really tell what's going on. I mean, I think the reason that Europe is clamping down on speech critical of Islam is partly the same reason that the entire Western world is clamping down on speech that's critical of anything that is associated with group identity, which is pretty much any set of ideas that unites people and it's, it's a consequence of the collective decision that we've made. That egalitarianism and a conflict avoidance constitute the two highest virtues and they trump everything else including free speech.

Speaker 1:          01:18          Now why that's happened is very, very difficult thing to say. I mean I'm, I suspect to some degree that it's a consequence of women becoming involved in the political system, which is something that we've never experienced before and women are more agreeable by nature than men and I'm variable. People are are compassionate towards those. They see a suffering and that seems to include any minority, especially when you combine that with a kind of neo Marxist doctrine that claims that anyone who has an advantage swiped it. And I think in the Islamic situation, you get it real conflict there because it's obviously the case that many Islamic practices are not commensurate with postmodern neo Marxist feminism, let's say. But they seem to get a free pass. And I guess that's because the idea that all cultures are equal trumps the requirement for human rights for women.

Speaker 1:          02:16          And. And maybe the other thing that's even darker is that there's a fair bit of revolutionary fervor in the more radical end of the political spectrum. And that radical fervor is devoted towards tearing down the patriarchy. And of course that's basically Western civilization. And so if, because Islam isn't part of Western civilization, than it can be seen as an ally in that, in that attempt, that's what it looks like to me. I also think that ignorance and and all of that contribute. It isn't obvious that people who are afraid of such things as Islamophobia really understand anything about Islam wouldn't say I understand anything about Islam. Even though I've read a fair bit about it, it's very difficult to put yourself inside a different belief system. I'm somewhat apprehensive about Islam because it looks to me like it's a totalizing system as well as a religion and it's a totalizing system because everything has to come under his purview, including law and and everything that goes along with that.

Speaker 1:          03:25          There's no separation between church and state. And so I don't see how that's commensurate with the western mode of existence. And I don't think people want to have that conversation because they want to say, well no, everyone diverse as they are. And important as that diversity is apparently such that everyone has to be represented equally. The diversity isn't really of anything about anything fundamental and we can all get along without a problem and I'm afraid that that's extraordinarily naive. And then I suppose there's also an element of something like Western guilt, I guess perhaps for what has been described as our imperialist past,

Speaker 2:          04:10          um, the,

Speaker 1:          04:12          there's been a very longterm assault

Speaker 2:          04:14          on, on the, what would you call it, moral

Speaker 1:          04:19          on the morality of the West. We're often viewed as the rapers and pillagers of the world and that sort of goes along with the environmentalist ethos. And so I think we do have a fair bit of guilt about that, whether it's warranted or not. Um, I mean history is a bloody nightmare and it doesn't matter where you look. And I would say at least in the West has brought advantages along with its disadvantages. And I think that our attitude towards individuality is fundamentally correct and absolutely vital. And I would also say that the only countries in the world that are essentially worth living in, in any real sense are the ones that are predicated on the Judeo Christian tradition and manifested in western the western body of laws. So, but there's still plenty of guilt and there's plenty of people who, well, who are, what contemptuous of being, as we discussed it, the last question and also angry with the political system because they're powerless or maybe they've been hurt by male authority figures.

Speaker 1:          05:24          Um, and that happens very frequently. And so they have absolutely no trust in higher in hierarchical structures. And there you might add to that to a certain amount of laziness because the thing about hierarchical structures is that they impose values on people. And then in order to progress in that value structure that you have to discipline yourself and work hard. And many of the radical leftists happened to be very low in conscientiousness. And so they don't believe in hard work and they don't believe that people get to where they're going by hard work. And, well, one other thing, there's a group of people I think who were basically personality disordered in, those are the ones that had never had a positive relationship with anything that was masculine. And so whenever they see anything masculine that has motive power and that would include authority and competence, not just power, they assume that that's tyrannical and it's part of the postmodern assumption that all power higher, all hierarchies are hierarchies of power when the truth of the matter is, is that hierarchies in the West are usually hierarchies of authority and competence and they're like, they're oriented towards getting a certain task done and they actually do get the task done.

Speaker 1:          06:36          So, but we're, I'm dubious about our own ethical. Um, what would you say? Integrity. And I guess that's also why it's a particular importance for people to try to act honestly, because if you don't act honestly and then you start to doubt your own integrity and then when people come after you, you're going to be weak. And that's a really bad idea. So.